Better Decision Making - Leipzig - procrastinator123 - Marvel Cinematic Universe [Archive of Our Own]

A/N: thanks so much to everyone who commented and left kudos on the first part of this series. It means so much to me to be getting such lovely feedback!
This instalment is based entirely around the conversation before the battle at Leipzig airport began. I know in canon Steve did try and explain the situation, but in my fic, I’m going to have him try a little bit harder. More importantly, Team Iron Man is going to listen.
Note: this series is a collection of one-shots. So, the premise of this fic assumes that the debate scene went as it did in canon.

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Steve ran towards the helicopter. He expected to be intercepted, so was alone. Conflict was something that he wanted to avoid if at all possible, and the chances of that drastically improved by entering the airport alone. The rest of the team were hidden and in position.

As the super soldier approached the helicopter, he saw one of Stark’s rounds hit the metal casing. Sparks of electricity spread over the surface. Steve wasn’t a technology expert, but he knew that the helicopter was now unusable. Glancing up, he spotted Iron Man and War Machine flying over. The pair landed between Steve and the now useless helicopter. It was hard to tell with their masks on, but Steve thought both looked grumpy.

“Wow, it’s so weird how you run into people at the airport,” Tony remarked, his helmet coming back to reveal his face. “Don’t you think that’s weird?” he asked Rhodey.

“Definitely weird,” Rhodey replied drily.

“Hear me out Tony,” Steve said calmly. If he could persuade his friend to listen, then perhaps they could make it out without starting a fight. “The doctor, the psychiatrist, he’s behind all of this.”

At that moment, Black Panther leapt into the area, closing off one of the possible escape routes Steve could have taken.
“Captain,” he said in greeting, sounding distinctly unfriendly.

“Your highness,” Steve returned politely, before turning his attention back to Tony. “The psychiatrist was an imposter,” he continued. “He’s headed for Siberia now. We need to stop him.”

“Anyway,” Tony said, ignoring Steve’s words. “Ross gave me 36 hours to bring you in. That was 24 hours ago. Can you help a brother out?”

“You’re after the wrong guy,” Steve said calmly, but his heart beat faster. This would have been much easier before the accords had taken affect.

“Your judgement in this is skewed,” Tony said coldly. “Your old war buddy killed innocent people yesterday...”

“And there are five other super soldiers just like him,” Steve returned impatiently. “I can’t let the doctor find ‘em first Tony, I can’t.”

“Steve,” Natasha said quietly, appearing behind him. “You know what’s about to happen. Do you really want to punch your way out of this one?”

“You know I don’t,” Steve replied, forcing himself to return to being calm. “But those five super soldiers could tear the government apart without ever breaking cover. We need to get to Siberia before they’re set loose.”

“All right,” Tony said, raising his hands. “I’ve ran out of patience…Unde..”

“Wait Tony,” Natasha interrupted, holding up a hand. “You’re saying that there’s a threat?” she asked Steve, looking concerned.

“Yes,” Steve told her, feeling relieved that at least one person was listening. “The doctor told me he wants to see an empire fall.”

T’Challa shifted uncomfortably. He didn’t much like the sound of this, but wasn’t certain he could trust the captain to be telling the truth.

“You sure your buddy’s telling the truth?” Tony asked, still sceptical.

“Yes,” Steve answered firmly.

Tony sighed. This wasn’t going to be pretty, and there were sure to be consequences. However, the consequences couldn’t be as catastrophic as letting those super soldiers loose.
“Five super soldiers, you said?” he asked, looking resigned.

Steve nodded, looking relieved that he was being listened to. “They’ve got the skills and languages to take down a country in one night. We’d never see them coming.”

Natasha frowned, looking unhappy. This didn’t sound good in the slightest.

“Man, we could get in a lot of trouble for this,” Rhodey advised Tony quietly.

“I know,” Tony responded. “But this is the right thing to do. What’s the plan cap?”

“We need to get to the base before the doctor can wake them up,” Steve answered. “We’ve not got much time. He’s got quite a head start on us.”

“Right, gather your team. We’ll take the quinjet,” Tony said. “Any arguments?” Everyone remained silent. “Good.”

Within half an hour, both teams were crammed into the Quinjet, on their way to Siberia. It was a tense ride, but all involved were willing to cope with the knowledge that their mission could save the world.

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A/N so there we have the second part. I think this would change the end fight, because the others also would be unlikely to let Tony just kill a man in cold blood.
Comments so far have been overwhelming positive, which was a lovely surprise. Thank you everyone for that! For people who don't necessarily agree, I'm very happy to debate so long as everyone is civil. I have a zero tolerance policy for bad language and insults, just so we're all on the same page ;)
Anyway, let me know what you all think - hope to have another one-shot out next week, might be a week Tuesday as I'm busy over this weekend.

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Kuro_Guardian Sun 12 Nov 2017 06:59PM UTC

So in this one... Scott isn't shrunk down and sitting on Roger's shield? Sam isn't using Red Wing to scout out a quinjet? And five super soldiers that aren't named Captain America and who don't have a Tony Stark or Shield or any number of fanboys/fangirls can actually take out a county?
I'm sorry if I seem rude, but - okay look at America. We have Washington D.C. yes, but we also have the state level of government and the municipal level of government. Even if you somehow managed to kill both the executive branch (not likely the executive branch is made up of more than the president and vice-president) and the legislative branch (although they rarely all meet up in one place and therefore would be hard to murder off) you'd still have to take down 50 different state governments and metric crapton of city government before you could honestly say you'd toppled anything.
And I know that America's system is unique in a lot of ways, but from what I've seen it looks like most places have multiple levels of government - so the idea that five people could take over a county is never going to make any sense to me. On top of which there world is more interconnected than ever. It doesn't matter if five people somehow take over a country (which must be very small and fantastically primitive) because the rest of the world isn't going to stand there and let it happen.
In fact if the soldiers were to make such an attempt that would be when those who signed the Accords would be called in to handle the situation. So really it makes more sense to capture the Scavengers, take them in to face the consequences of their actions (Barnes, Rogers, and Wilson... and T'Challa), and then inform the UN of what is going on so that Russia can give them permission to enter it's borders.
Also the entire movie really falls apart because if stopping the soldiers were so important then why would Rogers wait to get Barton, the Witch, and Scott all the way from America? In that period he could have told Tony or Natasha or left an anonymous tip with Interpol or something. So, yeah - sorry. This rings incredibly false to me.
But overall CACW was a fantastically stupid movie. But then again so was CAWS. I don't know why people praise the Russo brothers as avant garde geniuses. Oh, well.
Still - thank you for writing and I'm sorry if this seems super critical of you. It's not - I just can't see Rogers actions as anything but idiotic and illogical.

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1. procrastinator123 Sun 12 Nov 2017 07:47PM UTC
  
  Okay, I'll start with those first two. Scott was on cap's shield the whole time, but as Spiderman never stole it, he never came into play. Redwing was still scouting, but as Team Iron Man agree to take Steve's word and go with them to Siberia, he doesn't need to voice that he already knows where their jet is. They'd all be listening in on the coms.
  As for the super soldiers, Bucky says earlier on in the movie that they could take down a country in one night. To be honest with you, I never really thought about whether they actually could or whether this was an exaggeration, because it wasn't important. What is important, is that Steve believes that they could and so does the rest of his team. My series is all about characters making better decisions with the information they have available at the time. Else, the best decision here would be to not go. In this fic, Team Iron Man are willing to take their word for it on the basis that if the super soldiers can take down countries, it'd be catastrophic if they were set loose. The basic idea is that Steve's team thought stopping them before they attempt to make empires fall is the best solution...rather than wait for them to attempt such a thing and pick up the pieces afterwards.
  For timings, I'm no expert, but I reckon it'd take a fair amount of time to thaw out a super soldier. That gives some leeway for Steve's team to get to Siberia...especially as they needed to go all sneaky like to prevent being taken in before they can stop the supposed threat. There's also the thing that facing five super soldiers alone isn't a good idea, so they decided to bring in backup. They ended up going alone in canon, but that definitely wasn't their plan...and if there really were 5 super soldiers, cap, Bucky and Tony would likely all be dead, which is not good.
  With telling Tony, they did think about it, but decided that he wouldn't believe them, and even if he did, that the accords would likely not allow him to help. And, in canon, Tony didn't believe him, and the accords indeed did not let him help, so their assumptions were completely correct. In this little AU, Tony listened and believed his teammates, because I feel that would be a better decision.
  I hope this cleared things up for you. As I said, I am perfectly happy to debate in the comments so long as people are being respectful, and you've definitely been super polite. I really appreciate that, after reading the comments on some other fics that are anything but polite and respectful ;)
  Anyway, I can see where you're coming from...I just happen to disagree. Also, if you're very anti Steve, you may not enjoy my series very much. I'm trying to maintain some semblance of a neutral ground, mostly to combat the amount of definitely not neutral fics in this fandom. That means that I won't be bashing any characters, and I'm getting the feeling that you enjoy the 'Not Steve Friendly' fics that I am definitely not going to be emulating.
  Thanks again for your comment. I hope you have a great day :)
  
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2. 1. Kuro_Guardian Sun 12 Nov 2017 08:12PM UTC
    
    Hey! Thanks for the quick reply and I'm glad I didn't come off as rude or anything.
    I am not much for bashing - I am however Team Consequences. Which is why I honestly prefer that Rogers, Barnes, T'Challa, and Wilson be taken in for their actions in collapsing a tunnel, severely injuring law enforcement, and causing an incredible amount of damage to property as well as people.
    I also feel that there should be an inquiry into the events of Lagos and not Tony trying to smooth everything over. It's rather hypocritical to speak of consequences and doing the right thing when he keeps trying to make things easier for Rogers and the witch and whoever else instead of letting the system actually work.
    I mean you can't say you trust the system if you won't even let it do it's job when it comes to your "friends".
    On top of that it doesn't matter what Steve and his team believes - some people believe the Earth is flat and all of NASA's work is fake. Some people believe that vaccines aren't to prevent diseases, they're meant to cause them. Some people believe that holding contradictory viewpoints makes them exceptionally good people. Belief means nothing in the greater scheme of things. It's about how those beliefs are acted upon the greater population that matters.
    And quite frankly if Steve and his team honestly believed that the soldiers posed a danger then they should have informed the UN/Interpol/Russia - because while defrosting might take some time, that doesn't mean they might not have missed their chance. And if they had missed their chance to prevent what they believed to be a real danger from escaping... Well then it would be their fault if something did happen.
    Of course, that implies that normal human snipers don't exist. Clint supposedly never misses, but he's also as close to baseline as you can get and he was supposedly going to help kill super soldiers... somehow. Honestly, that's another problem as well.
    Wanda might be helpful - but then again her power set is: fear manipulation and telekinesis. And the film kicks off with her inability to control her powers. And outside of that her abilities won't do much to protect her. So her going up against five super soldiers and not either making things worse or being immediately murdered is super iffy.
    What isn't iffy is that Wilson would be worthless. He flies - the base has no room for him to fly. And last time Wilson went up against a super soldier (Bucky) he got his butt kicked. And Bucky says these five are stronger. So why is Wilson on the team going against 5 Super-Bucky Super Soldiers?
    And Clint is a sniper - with trick arrows. Trick arrows aren't going to be very helpful in an enclosed space where your allies are in close quarters with the enemy. I suppose he could set up outside, but he's honestly not dressed for conditions in Siberia and would die of hypothermia if he tried laying in the snow... in the mountains... Yeah he's also useless.
    Scott can shrink, but overall I'm not really sure how useful he's going to be. And his giant man trick isn't going to work.
    And then of course - Bucky. Bucky who still has his trigger phrases and no ear plugs. Bucky who is liable to be forcibly taken over by the bad guys. Meaning there would then be six super soldiers and a compromised Rogers. Worse than useless.
    So the witch and Rogers make some sense, but Wilson and Barnes and Scott and Barton aren't really useful. And therein comes my issue again with why they didn't contact Natasha at the very least. Also, also - when Tony had the actual proof that something was going down he did go to assist. So, if they hadn't used their mission as a distraction to steal a jet there really isn't anything keeping them from informing Tony.
    And that's my piece - I understand you disagree. I just wanted to put that out there. Because I have thought over this movie a lot. I've even watched certain parts over to make sure I'm not using fandom instead of canon... well movie canon which is nothing like comic canon.
    Either way thanks again for the reply and have a great day!
    
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  2. 1. procrastinator123 Sun 12 Nov 2017 09:07PM UTC
      
      No worries - I tend to be constantly refreshing my e-mails the first evening I post ;)
      The actions in Budapest weren't great, but the law enforcement had 'shoot to kill' orders and offered no chance of surrender. Just saying. There were mistakes on both sides that needed handling. I'm firmly on punishment coming after the trial, not before. If they'd offered a surrender, Steve would have cautioned Bucky to accept and everyone would have gone quietly no problem (this is actually a planned one-shot of mine, as this is a better decision on both sides' part :) )
      On the events in Lagos, I have to disagree. If Wanda wasn't there, the explosion would have been bigger and killed more people, including Steve. She contained it, but realised that she wasn't going to be able to hold it long enough. That meant that she tried to put it up in the air where it wouldn't hurt anyone except Rumlow. Unfortunately, it exploded before she'd got it to clear the buildings. I think it's unfair to blame her for that...the blame should lie with Rumlow for setting off the bomb, and Steve for getting distracted when he said Bucky.
      Again, I can see where you're coming from, I just don't really agree. I think everyone on the team is effective at what they do. Perhaps not effective enough to take down an elite team of super soldiers, but likely enough to hold them off. I think they'd win eventually, but probably not without casualties. That's why the plan was to get there before they were woken up.
      Anyway, I think i'll leave it there as 'agree to disagree' because I think we approach superhero movie logic a little differently. I like to follow the logic set up in canon, because you know, no superhero movie manages to make sense (except maybe the Dark Knight trilogy...not sure). I think a lot of your criticism is more of the logic set up in the MCU canon, rather than mine. Please correct me if I'm wrong though ;)
      
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    2. 1. Kuro_Guardian Sun 12 Nov 2017 09:42PM UTC
        
        Honestly, you're better than me - I avoid my inbox for the first eight hours or so after posting. I always feel like there will either be nothing there or it'll be negative.
        #lol #imacoward
        
        But yeah Budapest... That's a hard nut because there is no firm ground for an argument. What we the audience knows comes from Sharon who is - 1.) obviously compromised, 2.) working with unconfirmed information, and 3.) if we go by what actually happened completely wrong.
        Because if the law enforcement had "shoot to kill" orders then why didn't they just use a sniper or two? Or why not kill Bucky after he (Rogers and T'Challa) collapsed a tunnel, grossly injured civilians and officers, and basically made such a decision bullet-proof?
        Further - this is Europe, not America. Europe has people complaining about a dude who murdered over 50 children in cold blood not getting treated kindly enough. That dude should be under the jail, but he's not - as such I really don't see how in the world shoot to kill orders are going to be issued just like that.
        So that's that. Well, there is also the issue of Sharon's motivations. I honestly don't know what they were doing with her in the film, but it was at least somewhat infuriating.
        As for offering a surrender? When would that have been? Now they (the officers) might have just arrested Bucky, but instead Rogers entered the situation first - told Bucky the cops were there to kill him and then continued to escalate the situation until Rhodes showed up with a metal suit of death and got them to stand down.
        At no point was Rogers a voice of reason - he was a force of escalation from start to stop and it was super irritating, because apparently I'm supposed to sympathize with his actions - and I can't.
        As for Lagos - there would have been no explosion if the team hadn't been operating like a black ops team. Again we see escalation that didn't need to happen. Rogers chased a dude in a suicide vest holding a biological weapon into a crowded marketplace.
        If they knew something was going to happen - why not evacuate the marketplace? Why not have the authorities on their side to help? Why risk so many people like they did? And saying Wanda saved lives means nothing when it was by their actions that said lives were lost.
        As for being effective - I don't see it because it looks like no thought goes into their actions. And that has been a problem with the Captain America movies from the get-go.
        In the first movie Rogers lied to enlist - but his horrible health meant he would have endangered any squad he was assigned to. And then Rogers signs up for an experimental program - what happens if the experiment goes wrong? Were there any fail safes?
        And then in CAWS they burn-listed the entirety of Shield - what happens to the agents on assignment? What happens to all the blueprints for weapons and devices? What happens to footage like the murder of Tony's parents? What happens to the families of agents who didn't get the deal Barton did?
        And as it turns out - many of the Hydra agents weren't there of their own free will. Some had explosives planned in their head. Some had threats against their families. And some were in the same position as Barnes. So Rogers imploded everything when he could have made a different choice....
        Like calling Tony - why did no one think of that? Especially since Tony's name was on the Insight list? So much for being teammates - Rogers chose to try talking Barnes when he knew time was of the essence. Even knowing that wasting time could lead to people, Tony, dying.
        ...As for agree to disagree - I am following the logic as given. Because the MCU was mostly set up as "like the real world, but superheroes" I have to approach it like that. I'm also only using the movies and not the comic books - because if I use the comic books I end up with more questions like, "Why make Tony make Ultron, when you're about to introduce Pym and Antman anyway?"
        But yeah - it was nice chatting with you about this and I look forward to that future one-shot you mentioned.
        
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      2. procrastinator123 Sun 12 Nov 2017 09:59PM UTC
        
        To be fair, I do tend to open comments with 'Uh oh, here we go :/ ' So far, I've not had a comment that lives up to my trepidation, which is really nice.
        Anyway, I've really enjoyed chatting with you, but where I'm from it's getting late, and my brain has already gone to sleep (I'm definitely not a night owl, unfortunately :( ) I also think we're unlikely to get anywhere, so this is my official 'agree to disagree' comment. Thanks again for commenting, and engaging in a friendly debate. I hope I've not scared you off reading anything else I write ;)
        
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        Kuro_Guardian Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:21AM UTC
        
        Nah, it's cool and thanks for responding so nicely. That... doesn't always happen. Like I said I look forward to that future one-shot. Good night!
        
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  3. X (Guest) Sun 12 Nov 2017 08:55PM UTC
    
    "The basic idea is that Steve's team thought stopping them before they attempt to make empires fall is the best solution...rather than wait for them to attempt such a thing and pick up the pieces afterwards." I thought that, in the movies, Steve or the Natasha person or someone said, "Every time someone tries to stop a war before it happens, people die," or something.
    Your story was well-written, if a little short. It was great finding work with characters on-point and little to no grammar mistakes. I especially liked your portrayal of Steve. Lots of fics. have him as a complete imbecile, and while he is admittedly less educated in certain areas of modern life, he is in no way a fool and has his heart in the right place. Are you a new writer, or have you posted on other sites? I tried to make an account, but Archive shut down the line to make one. D:
    
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  4. 1. procrastinator123 Sun 12 Nov 2017 09:11PM UTC
      
      You are correct, Steve said that line in Winter Soldier, in relation to having hellicarriers poised to take out any threats...I think the five winter soldiers is a slightly different animal than pointing a gun at every person on earth :)
      Thank you - sorry it's a bit short. I've got a series of one-shots going, and the lengths do vary a bit. I think the first one was twice the length of this one. Not really sure what happened.
      The idea for writing a series about better decision making did come about primarily in response to the sheer number of Steve bashing fics I scroll past when trying to find something to read. That's why I'm trying to go the neutral route and keep everyone in character.
      I'm new to the fandom - I wrote Harry Potter fanfics on fanfiction.net, but this is my first time writing in the MCU.
      I hope you get to make an account soon! Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment!
      
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3. swanpride Mon 13 Nov 2017 10:39AM UTC
  
  Barton was the one who organized the helicopter, and Steve was calling for him and the others because he knew that he, Bucky and Falcon had no chance to take out five Winter Soldiers. And the reason why they didn't just call the UN was because there was no guarantee that they would believe him and act in time.
  I also don't get what the point of your post is....the fic is just playing around with a movie. What is the point of ranting about a movie to the author of a fanfic about said movie? That is practically fan-shaming.
  
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4. 1. Kuro_Guardian Mon 13 Nov 2017 10:30PM UTC
    
    ...Did you read this thread or did you just want to play savior? The author said they were fine with debate. We didn't call each other names, we weren't rude to each other, and we ended the discussion in a friendly manner.
    So why are you trying to start confusion?
    On top of which - you speak as though you come from a place of fact. Where might one read or view these "facts" for themselves? How did Barton organize the helicopter and when and with what resources? And how did Barton get to Europe with Wanda and Scott in the first place? And how did Barton get to Wanda in the first place?
    Where are these hidden resources coming from? And what good is a sniper in a fist fight? How would Scott fair against super soldiers? Wasn't the movie kicked off by the fact Wanda is shaky with her powers? Besides which she doesn't have super strength or endurance - and according to Steve she's a "child". Why would you bring a child to such a dangerous fight?
    And if we're going by time limits - in the time it took to gather the group from America... Like really? And that's ignoring the facts of the film: they were able to fight at the airport, get Rhodes to a hospital and the rogues to the Raft, have Tony travel to the Raft and talk to Sam, and then STILL have Tony arrive at the base at about the same time as Rogers and Barnes...
    Seriously?
    But thanks for jumping into a what was a decent conversation so you can play savior or whatever it is you think you're doing. Have a nice day.
    
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  2. 1. swanpride Tue 14 Nov 2017 12:02AM UTC
      
      It's called "connecting the dots". Clint tells Steve where the copter is, which implies that he was the one organizing it. And he is a spy, naturally he has the relevant resources (he also happens to be a pilot).
      You are right about the timeline for Tony managing to arrive only shortly after Steve and Bucky being very iffy (it's honestly, the only thing in which the movie cheats a little bit), but again, you are discussing the movie instead of reviewing the actual story in question. Your only goal seems to be to express your distaste towards Civil War. And if that is your opinion, all power to you, but there is a time and place for those kind of discussions. The comment section of a fanfic intended to honour the movie you distaste (or consider overrated) is not the right place. So don't be surprised if someone calls you out on it.
      
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Tenchi (Guest) Mon 13 Nov 2017 09:31AM UTC

I think you doing good job on what if story series on if Tony did right by his avengers family. I think if only it play out this way than things could gone a lot better. They all fall apart because they did not trust in one another that what made bad guy win in movie series of avengers. All we have now are fanfiction writers to make it better. I know that happy and honor to read this. Like others I think that need more help to take on the other super soldiers because that be big job to do. Hope my comment is a big help to you.

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1. procrastinator123 Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:04PM UTC
  
  Thank you :) That's really nice to hear. I'm glad you enjoyed!
  
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swanpride Mon 13 Nov 2017 10:53AM UTC

Seeing the comment above....could you perhaps redo the scene in which they try to apprehend Bucky? Not that I have a problem with the notion of Ross being overeager enough to send out some sort of kill squad for Bucky, but I do have a problem with the team they show being the GSG-9, which is specifically trained to deal with hostage situations and terrorists in a way that protects as many lives as possible. And that includes the attacker if possible (the life of the hostage is naturally more important).
Also, I never got why they didn't just send in Vision. I kind of get why they didn't want to send Cap and Wanda hadn't signed the accords yet, but if there is an Avenger left which could capture Bucky without risking anyone else, it is Vision.

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1. procrastinator123 Mon 13 Nov 2017 12:07PM UTC
  
  I'm definitely planning to do something with that scene...might even be the next one I write. I'm still trying to decide if it will be Steve making the better decision to call out that they're surrendering, or if it will be the police squad offering said surrender. I'm thinking a bit of both, but haven't fully decided yet.
  Vision would definitely be a better choice on who to send...that police squad was hugely outmatched, even when Bucky was holding back. Not a great plan ;)
  
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Cornholio4 Sun 26 Nov 2017 12:18PM UTC

Peter: mr stark, is it my cue yet?
So is Peter being out going to find the winter soldiers?

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1. procrastinator123 Mon 27 Nov 2017 01:00PM UTC
  
  I deliberately left that open ended. I think there would be some form of plan for if a truce was organised, because Tony was trying to get Cap to come quietly. I'm not sure what the agreement would be though. I like to think that Peter would be sent home, as he's a teenager and has no experience or training for going up against more than petty thugs. However, I have a feeling that Tony would bring him along, thinking that they'd need the help. I don't think Tony worked out the risks until he saw Peter fall out the sky and get hurt.
  
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2. 1. Cornholio4 Mon 27 Nov 2017 01:28PM UTC
    
    Well if he gets sent home at least he will have his new suit and perhaps getting to meet the avengers and getting autographs would make it worth it
    
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dsklkf (Guest) Wed 20 Dec 2017 06:27PM UTC

I really like this story, and obviously it would have been a lot easier if one of Team Iron Man had listened to Team Cap (though tbh I don't see T'Challa standing down, he was still in revenge!mode.) and the series in general is great, better decisions are definitely something that's necessary in the MCU :P Like maybe President Ellis deciding not to make Ross SoS :P
Though I would like to say, I understand why no one did listen. If I was there and I'd just spent 24 hours (I think? Tony says Ross gave us 36 hours and that was a day ago or something like that) preparing to face my friends and try to get them to stand down so they don't get killed I would probably assume that they were trying to distract me/delay me or make excuses so they could escape. I'd probably think something along the lines of 'yeah right, why didn't you tell any of us in the last 24 hours then!'. I'd like to see your take on them telling Tony or someone from Team Iron Man (after all Clint could have told Natasha or even Vision - I doubt Vision would have just dismissed him out of hand since he came all the way to the compound, leaving retirement, and was clearly pretty desperate/nervous. They could have called Nat, or Rhodey - just coz he's Tony's friend doesn't mean he'd ignore them, he'd been training with them since Ultron after all and that requires some amount of trust and camaraderie. I think it would have been a 'better decision' to tell them right from the beginning, and tell them everything, like Bucky being triggered (because to Team Iron Man and all the people at the UN all they see is a dangerous unstable man who bombed the UN [because all evidence pointed to him so they're gonna mostly believe it], beat a team of GSG agents into submission, collapsed a tunnel onto a bunch of civilians, threw a guy off his motorbike into moving traffic, surrendered only to break his way out of the supposedly secure containment, fought his way out of the UN building and disappeared. An assassin with a ridiculously long and prolific list of kills, enhanced strength and abilities, and an ability to disappear easily. They know NONE of what we as the audience know, and might have reacted differently if it was properly explained to them, maybe by Sam since he'd be way less biased than Steve. Ross would have still been a massive dick, but Ross =/= UN and isn't all-powerful.) Personally I think that if Team Cap had tried to clearly and concisely explain it all to Team Iron Man it would have gone a lot better. Team Iron Man still care about Team Cap and *want* there to be a reason for everything so TBH even if they had to go against the accords they would (as evidenced by Tony going to them in Siberia). If they'd told them about the psychiatrist then Tony or the UN could have looked into it and the real guy's body would have been found earlier.

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1. procrastinator123 Wed 20 Dec 2017 09:03PM UTC
  
  Thank you :) And oh, that is a tempting one to go with (but I am a true Jon Snow when it comes to US politics...it'd probably be filled with factual errors.)
  I think that team Iron Man still had a fair few hours left - they could've spared 5 minutes to hear them out, rather than just losing patience. But I do see what you mean about it being a better decision to call them in. Clint doing so probably makes the most sense, because he had Vision right in front of him, and Vision's a super computer that could probably look up what the doctor was supposed to look like and work it out.
  You were doing better at convincing me before you went on a collateral damage rant though ;) take it up with the film writers ;)
  Ross did have a fair bit of power though - he'd have been a problem, and it could have ended with all the avengers locked in the Raft, which would have been rather not good :) I suppose I could have that as 'better decision does not always mean better outcome.'
  
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Dante101 Mon 27 Aug 2018 11:04PM UTC

This is one in which Steve speaks louder and more clearly and Tony shuts up for 5 minutes to listen.

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Stuckylover4ever Tue 18 Sep 2018 04:04AM UTC

I loved this story. Thank you for writing this. I love stories where there is no bashing and things can be civil. I am team Cap, but I see both sides. It’s nice to see Tony help them.

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azerjaban Sat 09 Mar 2019 04:52AM UTC

'should we tell Tony?'
'he won't believe us'
'and even if he did'
'accords tie his hands'
All statements which were proven wrong later in the movie. So instead of trying to shout truth at each other suited up ready to fight, Steve could've called Tony between calling Clint and random stanger Scott.
That's just me. But cool concept.

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1. Atharva Sawant (Guest) Sat 08 Aug 2020 01:32PM UTC
  
  Agreed.
  Tony,Rhodes,Vision and Spidey were also perfectly fine for two years between CW and IW,so I think Tony might've amended the accords in middle.
  My entire issue with Steve is that he doesn't tell anyone from Team Stark about the Bucky situation when they're all together during Bucky's 'interrogation'.Granted that Tony and team stark make mistakes,but most of this drama would've been avoided had steve been open to Tony in the first place.
  
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2. Stand_with_Ward_and_Queen Fri 19 Mar 2021 04:31PM UTC
  
  Did you even watch the film? When Steve tries to explain about the Winter Soldiers, Tony indeed does not believe them. It is not until he gets Zemo's plot timed Intel about the psychiatrist that he sees that Steve (as far as anyone knew) was right. And The Accords are also shown to tie his hands legally, Tony going to Siberia was him violating The Accords, he even admits that. All those statements were proven to be true.
  
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David123456789 Sat 25 Apr 2020 04:58PM UTC

This fic was so well done. Thank you for sharing this with us.

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